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[Amelia Andersdotter <amelia.andersdotter AT dataskydd.net>]

On 02/02/16 02:04, Thomas Gramstad wrote:
> Writing is hard work, and many, even among those who are good at
> writing, find the work boring or excruciating. Therefore I believe
> that our greatest problem will be to get a non-embarrassing number of
> essay submissions. Also, our prizes are not big enough to make people
> do the work for the money.
>
> Therefore, I believe exclusivity is bad, and inclusivity is good.
>
> Or to put it differently: Hard work and low pay is exclusive enough.
>

What about having an unspecified target group, and advertise it in
forums that are mostly read by engineering students? We could make the
criteria "academic-level essay" and leave it open to the submitter to
decide whether they feel comfortable calling their work academic-level?
Because I see what you mean, and you're right.

best regards,

Amelia

> I do want as high quality as possible on the submissions, so I'm not
> suggesting a PR wave targeting high school students. I just don't want
> that one bright nerd in high school who happens to hear about the
> contest and finds themself writing a raw, but original and good and
> thoughtful essay to be excluded by default because the rules say they
> are in the wrong school or age group.
>
> Thomas
>
>
> On Mon, 1 Feb 2016, Amelia Andersdotter wrote:
>
>> Hello, sorry this got stuck!
>>
>> 1) Exclusivity is good. I had imagined our target group to be
>> engineering students, cryptographers, computer scientists. This is the
>> group that normally lacks opportunity to reflect on these topics, which
>> is not true for humanist studies.
>> 2) As for length: I propose no longer than 10000 words - this means
>> about 30 pages, and people can submit B or C level university theses
>> should they so desire. It's supposed to be an academic-level essay (in
>> my opinion).
>> 3) Submission deadline should probably be latest in August. Thorough
>> jury work requires time.
>>
>> Do we have any takers on who should be asked to sit in the jury (ref
>> previous correspondence)?
>>
>> best regards,
>>
>> Amelia
>>
>> On 01/27/16 01:11, Anders Bergkvist wrote:
>>> I don't have much experience running an essay contest. In fact, none at
>>> all. My naive suggestions as follows:
>>>
>>> 1) In principle I agree with Thomas that we may want to keep the
>>> competition open for as many as possible. There may also be an
>>> advantage
>>> with *some *restriction, perhaps to elevate the competition to some
>>> sort of
>>> exclusivity and perhaps also to lend some structure to the contest
>>> announcement. Perhaps limit it to university students in the Nordic
>>> countries would make sense? I guess Rogaway's article wouldn't
>>> typically be
>>> read by students below university level anyway?
>>> 3) A quick online search for "essay contest" gives the following
>>> sample:
>>> 500-1000 words, 600-1200, no more than 750, and 700-1000 words.
>>> Rogaway's
>>> article itself is 16k+ words, excluding notes. Perhaps 500-1000 is
>>> good if
>>> we want to prioritize short and succinct and 600-1200 if we want to
>>> allow
>>> for more elaborate texts?
>>> 4) A submission deadline last of September would give the jury about a
>>> month to reach decisions. That should be enough, what do you think?
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>> Anders
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 10:09 PM, Thomas Gramstad
>>> <thomas AT ifi.uio.no>
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Why not make the competition open to all students or school pupils
>>>> located
>>>> anywhere in one of the Nordic countries?
>>>>
>>>> I see no reason to accept only a few cities, a few studies or even
>>>> only
>>>> Sweden.
>>>>
>>>> We don't have to publish or market the competition everywhere in the
>>>> Nordic countries, we focus on our respective locations, and let
>>>> word of
>>>> mouth (crowd mouthing) do the rest.
>>>>
>>>> We might also require that the prize winners must meet up in person
>>>> or by
>>>> agreed upon representative to accept the prize, or the prize will be
>>>> forfeit and will pass on to the runner(s) up.
>>>>
>>>> Thomas
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, 25 Jan 2016, Amelia Andersdotter wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi all! :-)
>>>>> If Vetenskapsfestivalen is in April it's clearly too early, so then I
>>>>> propose we go for Stian's idea and assume there will be an FSCONS
>>>>> sometime in November.
>>>>>
>>>>> So I will reinitiate my previous proposal. We need to decide
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) For whom is the contest open?
>>>>> 2) Who will be the jury?
>>>>> 3) How long must the essays be?
>>>>> 4) When do we open and, primarily, close the competition?
>>>>> 5) Award-sums (2000,1000,1000 are acceptable award sums to me - I can
>>>>> chip in for this).
>>>>> 6) Is anyone savvy on making posters?
>>>>>
>>>>> best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Amelia
>>>>>
>>>>> Sketch for advertisement:
>>>>>
>>>>> =====
>>>>> Essay contest: Ethics of security engineering
>>>>>
>>>>> FSCONS and Dataskydd.net invite students of technology to
>>>>> participate in
>>>>> an essay contest on the theme of morals in security engineering.
>>>>> Inspired by Philip Rogaway's article on the moral of cryptography
>>>>> from
>>>>> December 2015 we invite anyone who is 1) currently enrolled in an
>>>>> engineering studies program in (<LOCATION: Göteborg, Lund,
>>>>> others?>) 2)
>>>>> <ANY OTHER GROUP?> to submit an essay on a similar or related
>>>>> theme of
>>>>> at most <XXXX CHARACTERS/PAGES> before <DATE>. A jury consisting of
>>>>> <THESE PEOPLE> will award the best essay with a prize of <X SEK>
>>>>> at the
>>>>> occasion of FSCONS <DATE> 2016 in Göteborg. Runner-up-prizes
>>>>> amounting
>>>>> to <Y> and <Z SEK> will also be awarded.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please submit your contribution to <EMAIL-ADRESS> before <SOME DATE>.
>>>>> ======
>>>>>
>>>>> Probably we need print-outs to put up at universities whose
>>>>> students we
>>>>> target (like Chalmers, LTH). I am naturally focused on
>>>>> universities to
>>>>> which I know I have physical access. My time-plan would be:
>>>>>
>>>>> February-August: Contest running.
>>>>> September-October: Jury deliberations.
>>>>> November: Price ceremony at FSCONS.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 01/25/16 01:46, Anders Bergkvist wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Amelia, Stian, Thomas and others, > > Thanks Amelia for
>>>>>> inviting me
>>>>>> to the discussion. > > Allow me to
>>>>>>
>>>>> introduce myself: I have a university background in engineering >
>>>>> physics and I have since then moved between many scientific
>>>>> disciplines.
>>>>> I > currently work for a chemistry and life science company. I
>>>>> only have
>>>>> basic > knowledge about cryptography and I am limited in how much
>>>>> time I
>>>>> can/want > to devote to learn more about technical aspects of it.
>>>>> It is
>>>>> easier for me > to engage, and I recognize the importance of, the
>>>>> political and > philosophical tensions between privacy and
>>>>> transparency.
>>>>> This is something > that interests me a lot. > > I am happy to
>>>>> support
>>>>> the essay competition Amelia proposed, with a modest > prize
>>>>> contribution, and by being a local contact person in Goteborg. I
>>>>> have >
>>>>> many contacts at Chalmers and elsewhere in Goteborg, although
>>>>> regarding
>>>>>
>>>>>> mathematics and computational sciences mostly on subjects of >
>>>>>>
>>>>> bioinformatics, statistics, machine learning, etc. and not on
>>>>> cryptography. > I can explore for more contacts, if desired. > >
>>>>> Vetenskapsfestivalen is scheduled for April 11-22. I expect the
>>>>> program
>>>>>
>>>>>> will be set very soon. The program is scheduled to be open for
>>>>>> school
>>>>>> bookings from February 23. If we wait to commit until after FSCONS
>>>>>>
>>>>> yearly > meeting in April I would expect it would be too late to
>>>>> participate at > Vetenskapsfestivalen. The theme of
>>>>> Vetenskapsfestivalen
>>>>> this year is "Same > but different". If we contact them, what
>>>>> would be
>>>>> our level of ambition? > > Thomas, you are welcome to stay at my
>>>>> place
>>>>> in Goteborg when you need. > > Anders > > > > On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at
>>>>> 7:45 PM, Stian Rødven Eide 
>>>>> <stian AT fripost.org>
>>>>>  > wrote: >
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Amelia,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My initial impression was that the award ceremony would take
>>>>>> place at
>>>>>> FSCONS proper. I think that should be fine. Are you looking for a
>>>>>> backup plan in case FSCONS doesn't happen? I suggest we go ahead
>>>>>> under
>>>>>> the assumption that FSCONS will take place in November as usual, and
>>>>>> find another venue only if we need to.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, I'm not entirely sure about how to integrate this into
>>>>>> Vetenskapsfestivalen. Are you suggesting that FSCONS should get a
>>>>>> place in the programme for the festival and have the ceremony there?
>>>>>> I'm really not averse to that either, but I'm afraid I can't
>>>>>> offer to
>>>>>> help out with organising that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> /Stian
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2016-01-24 19:05, Amelia Andersdotter wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>> First things first:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> - We agree the contest needs to start. - We agree(?) there
>>>>>>>>> needs to
>>>>>>>>> be an award ceremony. Can we have focused proposals on an award
>>>>>>>>> ceremony?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I propose we get in touch with Vetenskapsfestivalen. Another
>>>>>>>>> route
>>>>>>>>> would be to have a mini-FSCONS only for the award ceremony.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> best regards,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Amelia
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 01/24/16 16:47, Thomas Gramstad wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 15 Jan 2016, Stian Rødven Eide wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Amelia, and sorry for the hold-up. Your e-mails were all
>>>>>>>>>>> stuck in the moderation queue.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I volunteer to co-moderate or co-admin the org list. I already
>>>>>>>>>> have 40-50 lists on 4 other mailman installations from
>>>>>>>>>> before, so
>>>>>>>>>> one more will not be a big difference or impact on me.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In short, I think the essay contest is a wonderful idea. The
>>>>>>>>>>> only if is whether there will be another FSCONS. It is likely,
>>>>>>>>>>> but not guaranteed, and we'll know for sure after the yearly
>>>>>>>>>>> meeting (which probably will take place in April).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Could this meeting take place on a thursday evening? In that
>>>>>>>>>> case
>>>>>>>>>> I might be able to attend, assuming I can couch surf in
>>>>>>>>>> Gothenburg from thursday to friday, going back to Oslo friday
>>>>>>>>>> morning. Because thursday I finish early at work, while friday I
>>>>>>>>>> start work at 15:00. :-)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If that is too late to start the contest, feel free to proceed
>>>>>>>>>>> already now and we'll find some kind of forum to present the
>>>>>>>>>>> winners in any case.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes, the contest needs to start now.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Also, I think we need to raise another SEK 1000 for the contest,
>>>>>>>>>> so that second place and third place can each be awarded SEK
>>>>>>>>>> 1000.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thomas
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> all the best, Stian
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2016-01-15 15:19, Amelia Andersdotter wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Reminder ping with Anders (a Gothenburg man!) included in
>>>>>>>>>>>> the sending list (check CC).
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 01/05/16 15:34, Amelia Andersdotter wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Happy new Year! To business:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would be partisan to starting out "small" in terms of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> money.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> With 3000 kronor we could have 1 first price (2000 SEK) and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 runner-ups (500 each), for instance? Or a 1st/2nd/3rd
>>>>>>>>>>>>> place according to 1500/1000/500SEK award.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sketch for advertisement:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===== Essay contest: Ethics of security engineering
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> FSCONS and Dataskydd.net invite students of technology to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> participate in an essay contest on the theme of morals in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> security engineering. Inspired by Philip Rogaway's article
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the moral of cryptography from December 2015 we invite
>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone who is 1) currently enrolled in an engineering
>>>>>>>>>>>>> studies program in (<LOCATION: Göteborg, Lund, others?>) 2)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <ANY OTHER GROUP?> to submit an essay on a similar or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> related theme of at most <XXXX CHARACTERS/PAGES> before
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <DATE>. A jury consisting of <THESE PEOPLE> will award the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> best essay with a prize of <X SEK> at the occasion of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> FSCONS <DATE> 2016 in Göteborg. Runner-up-prizes amounting
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to <Y> and <Z SEK> will also be awarded.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please submit your contribution to <EMAIL-ADRESS> before
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <SOME DATE>. ======
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Probably we need print-outs to put up at universities
>>>>>>>>>>>>> whose students we target (like Chalmers, LTH). I am
>>>>>>>>>>>>> naturally focused on universities to which I know I have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> physical access. My time-plan would be:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> February-August: Contest running. September-October: Jury
>>>>>>>>>>>>> deliberations. November: Price ceremony at FSCONS.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jury members will need to be assigned. Someone from Kirei
>>>>>>>>>>>>> perhaps (security firm in Göteborg - or some other security
>>>>>>>>>>>>> firm? Assured?), from Dataskydd and from FSCONS and FFKP
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Jonas Öberg)? That'd make four people with varying
>>>>>>>>>>>>> backgrounds. It'd be good to have someone with academic
>>>>>>>>>>>>> qualifications as well, since we're targetting people from
>>>>>>>>>>>>> academic environments (with only a bachelor I don't count
>>>>>>>>>>>>> :-().
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Amelia
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/15 06:51, Thomas Gramstad wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PS: If this is included in FSCONS 2016 as suggested, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too pledge to donate SEK 1000 to the prize, bringing the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> award up to a total of SEK 3000.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps we should try to get even more funding, so we can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also have 2nd and 3rd place awards. Maybe we could use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one of the crowdfunding sites?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (PPS: Sorry for an irrelevant Subject:-header the first
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thomas
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 29 Dec 2015, Thomas Gramstad wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been e-mailing with Amelia about an interesting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> idea for next year's FSCONS. Summary of the idea: To
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have an essay contest about political, sosial and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ethical aspects and obligations of cryptography,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running in 2016, and with the prize winner being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> announced and delivered at FSCONS 2016. Amelia and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> friend provide the prize money (SEK 2000).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How does this sound to you? Amelia also suggests
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> organizing a committee for the prize.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Below is a copy of what I and Amelia have been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussing so far (in Scandinavian, sorry about that to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those who cannot read Scandinavian -- we can discuss it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in English from now on).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thomas
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 29
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dec 2015 01:54:24 +0100 From: Thomas Gramstad
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <thomas AT gramstad.no>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  To: Amelia Andersdotter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <amelia AT andersdotter.cc>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Subject: Re: Åpent brev til
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> justisminister Anders Anundsen Resent-From:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <thomas AT ifi.uio.no>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hej Amelia,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Det høres flott ut! Jeg kan promotere tevlingen i Oslo.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeg sjekker inn med resten av FSCONS-komiteen. :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thomas
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 28 Dec 2015, Amelia Andersdotter wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hej Thomas,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prispengarna är en donation från mig som matchas av
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> killen i Göteborg som ville hjälpa till. Så vi pytsar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personligen in 1000 kronor var.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Svenska, norska och engelska kanske? För mig spelar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inte språket roll.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Problemet är marknadsföring av att tävlingen finns -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jag kan marknadsföra tävlingen i Lund, enbart. Anders
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i Gbg kan marknadsföra i Gbg. Utan att ha ännu mer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pengar kommer vi ju inte kunna betala reseersättning
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> för pristagaren.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Om resten av er org.kommittee tycker det är kul
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kanske vi ska sätta upp en liten arbetsgrupp?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hälsar,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Amelia
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/28/15 18:43, Thomas Gramstad wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hei Amelia,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ja, jeg er fortsatt med i org.komiteen for FSCONS.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeg synes det er en veldig spennende ide med
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> essaykonkurranse så jeg videresender forslaget til
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resten av komiteen! :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Et par spørsmål:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Må essay være skrevet på svensk eller på engelsk,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kan evt. den som skriver velge mellom de to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> språkene?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hvem betaler prispengene SEK 2000? (FSCONS har
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lite penger og gikk med underskudd i år.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thomas
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hej Thomas,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Om du ändå är med i organisationskommittéen för
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FSCONS har jag ett förslag!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Philip Rogaway skrev en uppsats om moral och
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kryptografi i december 2015:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://web.cs.ucdavis.edu/~rogaway/papers/moral.pdf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jag funderade på om Dataskydd.net (min NGO i Sverige
>>>>>>> som också deltog på FSCONS) och FSCONS skulle
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kunna göra en gemensam uppsatstävling för
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> teknologstudenter kring temat som Rogaway tar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> upp, med prisutdelning på FSCONS 2016?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jag har en annan person (boendes i Göteborg) som
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vill hjälpa till och tillsammans kan han och jag
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bidra med marknadsföringsteam (vi har inte
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> funderat på utformningen av affischer än, dock)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> och prissumma på 2000 kronor (Anders Bergkvist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> heter han).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tävlingen skulle löpa nu under våren eller fram
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> till hösten, tänker jag. Juryn utser sedan bästa
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> uppsats under hösten.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vad tror du?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hare så bra på Kanarieöarna :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hälsar,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Amelia
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/28/15 16:30, Thomas Gramstad wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hej Amelia,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ja, selvsagt husker jeg deg. :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeg var forresten på FSCONS, men visste ikke at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> du var der før etterpå
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- jeg var opptatt med å organisere/være
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> konferansier på to av de andre sporene.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Enig i at vi bør samarbeide mot denne dumheten
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over grensene --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dumheten er jo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> grenseoverskridende/overnasjonal...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Takk for lenkene, skal sjekke dem. Har også
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gått gjennom deres slides
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fra FSCONS, spennende tema. Har ikke fått sett
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> videoen av foredraget ennå, men snart :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeg er på Gran Canaria 1.-19. januar, og er
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lite tilgjengelig i den
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perioden. (Er med og arrangerer Gran Canaria
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Business Week, et treffpunkt for digitale nomader
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> og entreprenører.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thomas
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 28 Dec 2015, Amelia Andersdotter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hej Thomas,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jag hoppas du minns mig :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Angående er korkade Justitieminister är
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sveriges justitieminister
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> minst lika dum. Vi borde samarbeta mot dumheten
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> över gränserna!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ett problem är att Europarådet i och för sig
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> verkar godta hemlig
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dataavläsning ("riktad övervakning").Så
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> människorättsargumentet är svårare att
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> framhålla. Hemlig dataavläsning är dock urkorkat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> från ett allmänt säkerhetsperspektiv. Jag och
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> några till har försökt lyfta det i Sverige:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.gp.se/nyheter/debatt/1.2931257-statliga-trojaner-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drar-ett-sakrare-internet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.dagenssamhalle.se/debatt/foerslag-om-dataintrang-och-sign
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> alsp
>>>>>>>>>>> aning-duger-inte-20518?pack=20142
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vänliga hälsningar,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Amelia
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
>>
>>


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