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[Thomas Gramstad <thomas AT ifi.uio.no>]

Perhaps next time we can think about having a group of adult
volunteers taking turns, e.g., two-three adults together being 
responsible for a group/specified number of youths, and then
the adults taking turns/shifting over time? I wouldn't mind
being part of such a team of adults and taking a turn some
hours, but I wouldn't want to be the only one responsible
for one youth during the whole conference.
Something maybe worth considering for next time.

Thomas


On Tue, 5 Nov 2013, klondike wrote:

> El 05/11/13 15:27, Per Andersson escribió:
> > Hi!
> Hi!
> > I don't want to start a discussion about this right now
> That's like stating you don't want to start a nuclear war right now
> after nuking a city.
> >  but it saddens me
> > that young people aren't getting better treatment.
> First get the laws in this aspect fixed, in Spain we have the same
> problems, then you can say it's FSCONS fault.
> >  Especially when we
> > have an entire track, very technical heavy I want to add, devoted for young
> > people.
> >
> > I do however want this to be properly evaluated and discussed after the
> > conference.
> >
> > Questions from the top of my head:
> >
> > * I don't get the motivation with money at all. Couldn't the travel money for
> >   Serengeti track be used to cover the ticket subsidy?
> I do get it, we have a budget and a really large part of it gets covered
> by the tickets we sell. IIRC the track budget (which should cover ALL
> the expenses the track has) was around 6000 SEK if tickets are 600 SEK
> this means you can offer the discount to at most 12 people.
> > * Of course attenders need to be able to take care of themselves. I say, if
> >   parents let them go by alone they probably can handle it.
> I'm afraid it's not that easy, there is legal responsabilities which
> vary depending on the age of the person and the paperwork done.
> > * Actually filling workshops should be of higher importance than a few
> >   hundred SEK imho. Especially if the participants can get a pass for only
> >   that workshop.
> I totally agree with that, we should follow Campus Party's policy of
> giving away tickets to ensure the event gets full no matter what as if
> participants didn't imply some costs by themselves. The problem is that
> Campus Party gets subventions from the government hosting the event for
> each attendee hence their interest in filling up the event no matter
> what, saddly we don't.
> > * The whole idea with the track was to have young people as participants
> >   equal to adult ones. Having serengeti stuff outside the main venue, does
> >   not comply with this intention at all.
> If you want young people to be equal to adult people treat them in such
> a way. In all matters. Otherwise you get a system where all ar equal,
> but some are more equal than others (George Orwell's Animal Farm). If
> you have know real youth who wants to come to the conference and really
> can't afford the ticket I'd recommend you state his case, if he is old
> enough he may become a volunteer, if he isn't I'm sure we can work out
> other solution.