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Thomas Gramstad 
<thomas AT ifi.uio.no>
 escribió:
>Perhaps next time we can think about having a group of adult
>volunteers taking turns, e.g., two-three adults together being 
>responsible for a group/specified number of youths, and then
>the adults taking turns/shifting over time? I wouldn't mind
>being part of such a team of adults and taking a turn some
>hours, but I wouldn't want to be the only one responsible
>for one youth during the whole conference.
>Something maybe worth considering for next time.
Hi, from a legal point of view that action most likely still has some issues 
or considerations that need to be taken into account. Personally, I'd 
recommend the board to talk with a lawyer before doing anything aside from 
letting children accompanied by their parents or other adult left in charge 
of the child by them.
>
>Thomas
>
>
>On Tue, 5 Nov 2013, klondike wrote:
>
>> El 05/11/13 15:27, Per Andersson escribió:
>>> Hi!
>> Hi!
>>> I don't want to start a discussion about this right now
>> That's like stating you don't want to start a nuclear war right now
>> after nuking a city.
>>>  but it saddens me
>>> that young people aren't getting better treatment.
>> First get the laws in this aspect fixed, in Spain we have the same
>> problems, then you can say it's FSCONS fault.
>>>  Especially when we
>>> have an entire track, very technical heavy I want to add, devoted
>for young
>>> people.
>>>
>>> I do however want this to be properly evaluated and discussed after
>the
>>> conference.
>>>
>>> Questions from the top of my head:
>>>
>>> * I don't get the motivation with money at all. Couldn't the travel
>money for
>>>   Serengeti track be used to cover the ticket subsidy?
>> I do get it, we have a budget and a really large part of it gets
>covered
>> by the tickets we sell. IIRC the track budget (which should cover ALL
>> the expenses the track has) was around 6000 SEK if tickets are 600
>SEK
>> this means you can offer the discount to at most 12 people.
>>> * Of course attenders need to be able to take care of themselves. I
>say, if
>>>   parents let them go by alone they probably can handle it.
>> I'm afraid it's not that easy, there is legal responsabilities which
>> vary depending on the age of the person and the paperwork done.
>>> * Actually filling workshops should be of higher importance than a
>few
>>>   hundred SEK imho. Especially if the participants can get a pass
>for only
>>>   that workshop.
>> I totally agree with that, we should follow Campus Party's policy of
>> giving away tickets to ensure the event gets full no matter what as
>if
>> participants didn't imply some costs by themselves. The problem is
>that
>> Campus Party gets subventions from the government hosting the event
>for
>> each attendee hence their interest in filling up the event no matter
>> what, saddly we don't.
>>> * The whole idea with the track was to have young people as
>participants
>>>   equal to adult ones. Having serengeti stuff outside the main
>venue, does
>>>   not comply with this intention at all.
>> If you want young people to be equal to adult people treat them in
>such
>> a way. In all matters. Otherwise you get a system where all ar equal,
>> but some are more equal than others (George Orwell's Animal Farm). If
>> you have know real youth who wants to come to the conference and
>really
>> can't afford the ticket I'd recommend you state his case, if he is
>old
>> enough he may become a volunteer, if he isn't I'm sure we can work
>out
>> other solution.
>>
>>
>>
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