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[Thomas Gramstad <thomas AT ifi.uio.no>]

Hi all,

On Fri, 15 Jan 2016, Stian Rødven Eide wrote:

> Hi Amelia, and sorry for the hold-up. Your e-mails were all 
> stuck in the moderation queue.

I volunteer to co-moderate or co-admin the org list. I already 
have 40-50 lists on 4 other mailman installations from before, so 
one more will not be a big difference or impact on me.

> In short, I think the essay contest is a wonderful idea. The only if
> is whether there will be another FSCONS. It is likely, but not
> guaranteed, and we'll know for sure after the yearly meeting (which
> probably will take place in April).

Could this meeting take place on a thursday evening? In that case 
I might be able to attend, assuming I can couch surf in 
Gothenburg from thursday to friday, going back to Oslo friday 
morning. Because thursday I finish early at work, while friday I 
start work at 15:00. :-)

> If that is too late to start the contest, feel free to proceed 
> already now and we'll find some kind of forum to present the 
> winners in any case.

Yes, the contest needs to start now.

Also, I think we need to raise another SEK 1000 for the contest, 
so that second place and third place can each be awarded SEK 
1000.

Thomas




> all the best,
> Stian
>
> On 2016-01-15 15:19, Amelia Andersdotter wrote:
> > Reminder ping with Anders (a Gothenburg man!) included in the
> > sending list (check CC).
> >
> > On 01/05/16 15:34, Amelia Andersdotter wrote:
> > > Dear all,
> > >
> > > Happy new Year! To business:
> > >
> > > I would be partisan to starting out "small" in terms of money.
> > >
> > > With 3000 kronor we could have 1 first price (2000 SEK) and 2
> > > runner-ups (500 each), for instance? Or a 1st/2nd/3rd place
> > > according to 1500/1000/500SEK award.
> > >
> > > Sketch for advertisement:
> > >
> > > ===== Essay contest: Ethics of security engineering
> > >
> > > FSCONS and Dataskydd.net invite students of technology to
> > > participate in an essay contest on the theme of morals in
> > > security engineering. Inspired by Philip Rogaway's article on the
> > > moral of cryptography from December 2015 we invite anyone who is
> > > 1) currently enrolled in an engineering studies program in
> > > (<LOCATION: Göteborg, Lund, others?>) 2) <ANY OTHER GROUP?> to
> > > submit an essay on a similar or related theme of at most <XXXX
> > > CHARACTERS/PAGES> before <DATE>. A jury consisting of <THESE
> > > PEOPLE> will award the best essay with a prize of <X SEK> at the
> > > occasion of FSCONS <DATE> 2016 in Göteborg. Runner-up-prizes
> > > amounting to <Y> and <Z SEK> will also be awarded.
> > >
> > > Please submit your contribution to <EMAIL-ADRESS> before <SOME
> > > DATE>. ======
> > >
> > > Probably we need print-outs to put up at universities whose
> > > students we target (like Chalmers, LTH). I am naturally focused
> > > on universities to which I know I have physical access. My
> > > time-plan would be:
> > >
> > > February-August: Contest running. September-October: Jury
> > > deliberations. November: Price ceremony at FSCONS.
> > >
> > > Jury members will need to be assigned. Someone from Kirei
> > > perhaps (security firm in Göteborg - or some other security firm?
> > > Assured?), from Dataskydd and from FSCONS and FFKP (Jonas Öberg)?
> > > That'd make four people with varying backgrounds. It'd be good to
> > > have someone with academic qualifications as well, since we're
> > > targetting people from academic environments (with only a
> > > bachelor I don't count :-().
> > >
> > > best regards,
> > >
> > > Amelia
> > >
> > > On 12/29/15 06:51, Thomas Gramstad wrote:
> > > > PS: If this is included in FSCONS 2016 as suggested, I too
> > > > pledge to donate SEK 1000 to the prize, bringing the award up
> > > > to a total of SEK 3000.
> > > >
> > > > Perhaps we should try to get even more funding, so we can also
> > > > have 2nd and 3rd place awards. Maybe we could use one of the
> > > > crowdfunding sites?
> > > >
> > > > (PPS: Sorry for an irrelevant Subject:-header the first time.)
> > > >
> > > > Thomas
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, 29 Dec 2015, Thomas Gramstad wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > >
> > > > > I've been e-mailing with Amelia about an interesting idea for
> > > > > next year's FSCONS. Summary of the idea: To have an essay
> > > > > contest about political, sosial and ethical aspects and
> > > > > obligations of cryptography, running in 2016, and with the
> > > > > prize winner being announced and delivered at FSCONS 2016.
> > > > > Amelia and friend provide the prize money (SEK 2000).
> > > > >
> > > > > How does this sound to you? Amelia also suggests organizing a
> > > > > committee for the prize.
> > > > >
> > > > > Below is a copy of what I and Amelia have been discussing so
> > > > > far (in Scandinavian, sorry about that to those who cannot
> > > > > read Scandinavian -- we can discuss it in English from now
> > > > > on).
> > > > >
> > > > > Thomas
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 29 Dec
> > > > > 2015 01:54:24 +0100 From: Thomas Gramstad
> > > > > <thomas AT gramstad.no>
> > > > >  To: Amelia Andersdotter
> > > > > <amelia AT andersdotter.cc>
> > > > >  Subject: Re: Åpent brev til
> > > > > justisminister Anders Anundsen Resent-From:
> > > > > <thomas AT ifi.uio.no>
> > > > >
> > > > > Hej Amelia,
> > > > >
> > > > > Det høres flott ut! Jeg kan promotere tevlingen i Oslo. Jeg
> > > > > sjekker inn med resten av FSCONS-komiteen. :)
> > > > >
> > > > > Thomas
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, 28 Dec 2015, Amelia Andersdotter wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hej Thomas,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Prispengarna är en donation från mig som matchas av killen
> > > > > > i Göteborg som ville hjälpa till. Så vi pytsar personligen
> > > > > > in 1000 kronor var.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Svenska, norska och engelska kanske? För mig spelar inte
> > > > > > språket roll.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Problemet är marknadsföring av att tävlingen finns - jag
> > > > > > kan marknadsföra tävlingen i Lund, enbart. Anders i Gbg kan
> > > > > > marknadsföra i Gbg. Utan att ha ännu mer pengar kommer vi
> > > > > > ju inte kunna betala reseersättning för pristagaren.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Om resten av er org.kommittee tycker det är kul kanske vi
> > > > > > ska sätta upp en liten arbetsgrupp?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > hälsar,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Amelia
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 12/28/15 18:43, Thomas Gramstad wrote:
> > > > > > > Hei Amelia,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ja, jeg er fortsatt med i org.komiteen for FSCONS. Jeg
> > > > > > > synes det er en veldig spennende ide med essaykonkurranse
> > > > > > > så jeg videresender forslaget til resten av komiteen! :)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Et par spørsmål:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Må essay være skrevet på svensk eller på engelsk, kan
> > > > > > > evt. den som skriver velge mellom de to språkene?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hvem betaler prispengene SEK 2000? (FSCONS har lite
> > > > > > > penger og gikk med underskudd i år.)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thomas
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hej Thomas,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Om du ändå är med i organisationskommittéen för FSCONS
> > > > > > > > har jag ett förslag!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Philip Rogaway skrev en uppsats om moral och
> > > > > > > > kryptografi i december 2015:
> > > > > > > > http://web.cs.ucdavis.edu/~rogaway/papers/moral.pdf
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Jag funderade på om Dataskydd.net (min NGO i Sverige
> > > > > > > > som också deltog på FSCONS) och FSCONS skulle kunna
> > > > > > > > göra en gemensam uppsatstävling för teknologstudenter
> > > > > > > > kring temat som Rogaway tar upp, med prisutdelning på
> > > > > > > > FSCONS 2016?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Jag har en annan person (boendes i Göteborg) som vill
> > > > > > > > hjälpa till och tillsammans kan han och jag bidra med
> > > > > > > > marknadsföringsteam (vi har inte funderat på
> > > > > > > > utformningen av affischer än, dock) och prissumma på
> > > > > > > > 2000 kronor (Anders Bergkvist heter han).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Tävlingen skulle löpa nu under våren eller fram till
> > > > > > > > hösten, tänker jag. Juryn utser sedan bästa uppsats
> > > > > > > > under hösten.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Vad tror du?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hare så bra på Kanarieöarna :-)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > hälsar,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Amelia
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On 12/28/15 16:30, Thomas Gramstad wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Hej Amelia,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Ja, selvsagt husker jeg deg. :-)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Jeg var forresten på FSCONS, men visste ikke at du
> > > > > > > > > var der før etterpå
> > > > > > > > -- jeg var opptatt med å organisere/være konferansier
> > > > > > > > på to av de andre sporene.
> > > > > > > > > Enig i at vi bør samarbeide mot denne dumheten over
> > > > > > > > > grensene --
> > > > > > > > dumheten er jo grenseoverskridende/overnasjonal...
> > > > > > > > > Takk for lenkene, skal sjekke dem. Har også gått
> > > > > > > > > gjennom deres slides
> > > > > > > > fra FSCONS, spennende tema. Har ikke fått sett videoen
> > > > > > > > av foredraget ennå, men snart :-)
> > > > > > > > > Jeg er på Gran Canaria 1.-19. januar, og er lite
> > > > > > > > > tilgjengelig i den
> > > > > > > > perioden. (Er med og arrangerer Gran Canaria Business
> > > > > > > > Week, et treffpunkt for digitale nomader og
> > > > > > > > entreprenører.)
> > > > > > > > > Thomas
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Mon, 28 Dec 2015, Amelia Andersdotter wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Hej Thomas,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Jag hoppas du minns mig :-)
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Angående er korkade Justitieminister är Sveriges
> > > > > > > > > > justitieminister
> > > > > > > > minst lika dum. Vi borde samarbeta mot dumheten över
> > > > > > > > gränserna!
> > > > > > > > > > Ett problem är att Europarådet i och för sig verkar
> > > > > > > > > > godta hemlig
> > > > > > > > dataavläsning ("riktad övervakning").Så
> > > > > > > > människorättsargumentet är svårare att framhålla.
> > > > > > > > Hemlig dataavläsning är dock urkorkat från ett allmänt
> > > > > > > > säkerhetsperspektiv. Jag och några till har försökt
> > > > > > > > lyfta det i Sverige:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > https://www.gp.se/nyheter/debatt/1.2931257-statliga-trojaner-hin
> drar-ett-sakrare-internet
> > > > > > > >
> http://www.dagenssamhalle.se/debatt/foerslag-om-dataintrang-och-signalsp
> aning-duger-inte-20518?pack=20142
> > > > > > > > > > vänliga hälsningar,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Amelia