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[Anders Bergkvist <abergk AT gmail.com>]

Hi Amelia, Stian, Thomas and others,

Thanks Amelia for inviting me to the discussion.

Allow me to introduce myself: I have a university background in engineering physics and I have since then moved between many scientific disciplines. I currently work for a chemistry and life science company. I only have basic knowledge about cryptography and I am limited in how much time I can/want to devote to learn more about technical aspects of it. It is easier for me to engage, and I recognize the importance of, the political and philosophical tensions between privacy and transparency. This is something that interests me a lot.

I am happy to support the essay competition Amelia proposed, with a modest prize contribution, and by being a local contact person in Goteborg. I have many contacts at Chalmers and elsewhere in Goteborg, although regarding mathematics and computational sciences mostly on subjects of bioinformatics, statistics, machine learning, etc. and not on cryptography. I can explore for more contacts, if desired.

Vetenskapsfestivalen is scheduled for April 11-22. I expect the program will be set very soon. The program is scheduled to be open for school bookings from February 23. If we wait to commit until after FSCONS yearly meeting in April I would expect it would be too late to participate at Vetenskapsfestivalen. The theme of Vetenskapsfestivalen this year is "Same but different". If we contact them, what would be our level of ambition?

Thomas, you are welcome to stay at my place in Goteborg when you need.

Anders

On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 7:45 PM, Stian Rødven Eide <stian AT fripost.org> wrote:

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Hi Amelia,

My initial impression was that the award ceremony would take place at
FSCONS proper. I think that should be fine. Are you looking for a
backup plan in case FSCONS doesn't happen? I suggest we go ahead under
the assumption that FSCONS will take place in November as usual, and
find another venue only if we need to.

Also, I'm not entirely sure about how to integrate this into
Vetenskapsfestivalen. Are you suggesting that FSCONS should get a
place in the programme for the festival and have the ceremony there?
I'm really not averse to that either, but I'm afraid I can't offer to
help out with organising that.

/Stian

On 2016-01-24 19:05, Amelia Andersdotter wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> First things first:
>
> - We agree the contest needs to start. - We agree(?) there needs to
> be an award ceremony. Can we have focused proposals on an award
> ceremony?
>
> I propose we get in touch with Vetenskapsfestivalen. Another route
> would be to have a mini-FSCONS only for the award ceremony.
>
> best regards,
>
> Amelia
>
> On 01/24/16 16:47, Thomas Gramstad wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> On Fri, 15 Jan 2016, Stian Rødven Eide wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Amelia, and sorry for the hold-up. Your e-mails were all
>>> stuck in the moderation queue.
>>
>> I volunteer to co-moderate or co-admin the org list. I already
>> have 40-50 lists on 4 other mailman installations from before, so
>> one more will not be a big difference or impact on me.
>>
>>> In short, I think the essay contest is a wonderful idea. The
>>> only if is whether there will be another FSCONS. It is likely,
>>> but not guaranteed, and we'll know for sure after the yearly
>>> meeting (which probably will take place in April).
>>
>> Could this meeting take place on a thursday evening? In that case
>> I might be able to attend, assuming I can couch surf in
>> Gothenburg from thursday to friday, going back to Oslo friday
>> morning. Because thursday I finish early at work, while friday I
>> start work at 15:00. :-)
>>
>>> If that is too late to start the contest, feel free to proceed
>>> already now and we'll find some kind of forum to present the
>>> winners in any case.
>>
>> Yes, the contest needs to start now.
>>
>> Also, I think we need to raise another SEK 1000 for the contest,
>> so that second place and third place can each be awarded SEK
>> 1000.
>>
>> Thomas
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> all the best, Stian
>>>
>>> On 2016-01-15 15:19, Amelia Andersdotter wrote:
>>>> Reminder ping with Anders (a Gothenburg man!) included in
>>>> the sending list (check CC).
>>>>
>>>> On 01/05/16 15:34, Amelia Andersdotter wrote:
>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>
>>>>> Happy new Year! To business:
>>>>>
>>>>> I would be partisan to starting out "small" in terms of
>>>>> money.
>>>>>
>>>>> With 3000 kronor we could have 1 first price (2000 SEK) and
>>>>> 2 runner-ups (500 each), for instance? Or a 1st/2nd/3rd
>>>>> place according to 1500/1000/500SEK award.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sketch for advertisement:
>>>>>
>>>>> ===== Essay contest: Ethics of security engineering
>>>>>
>>>>> FSCONS and Dataskydd.net invite students of technology to
>>>>> participate in an essay contest on the theme of morals in
>>>>> security engineering. Inspired by Philip Rogaway's article
>>>>> on the moral of cryptography from December 2015 we invite
>>>>> anyone who is 1) currently enrolled in an engineering
>>>>> studies program in (<LOCATION: Göteborg, Lund, others?>) 2)
>>>>> <ANY OTHER GROUP?> to submit an essay on a similar or
>>>>> related theme of at most <XXXX CHARACTERS/PAGES> before
>>>>> <DATE>. A jury consisting of <THESE PEOPLE> will award the
>>>>> best essay with a prize of <X SEK> at the occasion of
>>>>> FSCONS <DATE> 2016 in Göteborg. Runner-up-prizes amounting
>>>>> to <Y> and <Z SEK> will also be awarded.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please submit your contribution to <EMAIL-ADRESS> before
>>>>> <SOME DATE>. ======
>>>>>
>>>>> Probably we need print-outs to put up at universities
>>>>> whose students we target (like Chalmers, LTH). I am
>>>>> naturally focused on universities to which I know I have
>>>>> physical access. My time-plan would be:
>>>>>
>>>>> February-August: Contest running. September-October: Jury
>>>>> deliberations. November: Price ceremony at FSCONS.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jury members will need to be assigned. Someone from Kirei
>>>>> perhaps (security firm in Göteborg - or some other security
>>>>> firm? Assured?), from Dataskydd and from FSCONS and FFKP
>>>>> (Jonas Öberg)? That'd make four people with varying
>>>>> backgrounds. It'd be good to have someone with academic
>>>>> qualifications as well, since we're targetting people from
>>>>> academic environments (with only a bachelor I don't count
>>>>> :-().
>>>>>
>>>>> best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Amelia
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/29/15 06:51, Thomas Gramstad wrote:
>>>>>> PS: If this is included in FSCONS 2016 as suggested, I
>>>>>> too pledge to donate SEK 1000 to the prize, bringing the
>>>>>> award up to a total of SEK 3000.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Perhaps we should try to get even more funding, so we can
>>>>>> also have 2nd and 3rd place awards. Maybe we could use
>>>>>> one of the crowdfunding sites?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (PPS: Sorry for an irrelevant Subject:-header the first
>>>>>> time.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thomas
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 29 Dec 2015, Thomas Gramstad wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've been e-mailing with Amelia about an interesting
>>>>>>> idea for next year's FSCONS. Summary of the idea: To
>>>>>>> have an essay contest about political, sosial and
>>>>>>> ethical aspects and obligations of cryptography,
>>>>>>> running in 2016, and with the prize winner being
>>>>>>> announced and delivered at FSCONS 2016. Amelia and
>>>>>>> friend provide the prize money (SEK 2000).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How does this sound to you? Amelia also suggests
>>>>>>> organizing a committee for the prize.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Below is a copy of what I and Amelia have been
>>>>>>> discussing so far (in Scandinavian, sorry about that to
>>>>>>> those who cannot read Scandinavian -- we can discuss it
>>>>>>> in English from now on).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thomas
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 29
>>>>>>> Dec 2015 01:54:24 +0100 From: Thomas Gramstad
>>>>>>> <thomas AT gramstad.no> To: Amelia Andersdotter
>>>>>>> <amelia AT andersdotter.cc> Subject: Re: Åpent brev til
>>>>>>> justisminister Anders Anundsen Resent-From:
>>>>>>> <thomas AT ifi.uio.no>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hej Amelia,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Det høres flott ut! Jeg kan promotere tevlingen i Oslo.
>>>>>>> Jeg sjekker inn med resten av FSCONS-komiteen. :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thomas
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, 28 Dec 2015, Amelia Andersdotter wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hej Thomas,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Prispengarna är en donation från mig som matchas av
>>>>>>>> killen i Göteborg som ville hjälpa till. Så vi pytsar
>>>>>>>> personligen in 1000 kronor var.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Svenska, norska och engelska kanske? För mig spelar
>>>>>>>> inte språket roll.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Problemet är marknadsföring av att tävlingen finns -
>>>>>>>> jag kan marknadsföra tävlingen i Lund, enbart. Anders
>>>>>>>> i Gbg kan marknadsföra i Gbg. Utan att ha ännu mer
>>>>>>>> pengar kommer vi ju inte kunna betala reseersättning
>>>>>>>> för pristagaren.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Om resten av er org.kommittee tycker det är kul
>>>>>>>> kanske vi ska sätta upp en liten arbetsgrupp?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> hälsar,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Amelia
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 12/28/15 18:43, Thomas Gramstad wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hei Amelia,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ja, jeg er fortsatt med i org.komiteen for FSCONS.
>>>>>>>>> Jeg synes det er en veldig spennende ide med
>>>>>>>>> essaykonkurranse så jeg videresender forslaget til
>>>>>>>>> resten av komiteen! :)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Et par spørsmål:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Må essay være skrevet på svensk eller på engelsk,
>>>>>>>>> kan evt. den som skriver velge mellom de to
>>>>>>>>> språkene?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hvem betaler prispengene SEK 2000? (FSCONS har
>>>>>>>>> lite penger og gikk med underskudd i år.)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thomas
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hej Thomas,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Om du ändå är med i organisationskommittéen för
>>>>>>>>>> FSCONS har jag ett förslag!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Philip Rogaway skrev en uppsats om moral och
>>>>>>>>>> kryptografi i december 2015:
>>>>>>>>>> http://web.cs.ucdavis.edu/~rogaway/papers/moral.pdf
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
Jag funderade på om Dataskydd.net (min NGO i Sverige
>>>>>>>>>> som också deltog på FSCONS) och FSCONS skulle
>>>>>>>>>> kunna göra en gemensam uppsatstävling för
>>>>>>>>>> teknologstudenter kring temat som Rogaway tar
>>>>>>>>>> upp, med prisutdelning på FSCONS 2016?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jag har en annan person (boendes i Göteborg) som
>>>>>>>>>> vill hjälpa till och tillsammans kan han och jag
>>>>>>>>>> bidra med marknadsföringsteam (vi har inte
>>>>>>>>>> funderat på utformningen av affischer än, dock)
>>>>>>>>>> och prissumma på 2000 kronor (Anders Bergkvist
>>>>>>>>>> heter han).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Tävlingen skulle löpa nu under våren eller fram
>>>>>>>>>> till hösten, tänker jag. Juryn utser sedan bästa
>>>>>>>>>> uppsats under hösten.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Vad tror du?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hare så bra på Kanarieöarna :-)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> hälsar,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Amelia
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 12/28/15 16:30, Thomas Gramstad wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hej Amelia,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ja, selvsagt husker jeg deg. :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Jeg var forresten på FSCONS, men visste ikke at
>>>>>>>>>>> du var der før etterpå
>>>>>>>>>> -- jeg var opptatt med å organisere/være
>>>>>>>>>> konferansier på to av de andre sporene.
>>>>>>>>>>> Enig i at vi bør samarbeide mot denne dumheten
>>>>>>>>>>> over grensene --
>>>>>>>>>> dumheten er jo
>>>>>>>>>> grenseoverskridende/overnasjonal...
>>>>>>>>>>> Takk for lenkene, skal sjekke dem. Har også
>>>>>>>>>>> gått gjennom deres slides
>>>>>>>>>> fra FSCONS, spennende tema. Har ikke fått sett
>>>>>>>>>> videoen av foredraget ennå, men snart :-)
>>>>>>>>>>> Jeg er på Gran Canaria 1.-19. januar, og er
>>>>>>>>>>> lite tilgjengelig i den
>>>>>>>>>> perioden. (Er med og arrangerer Gran Canaria
>>>>>>>>>> Business Week, et treffpunkt for digitale nomader
>>>>>>>>>> og entreprenører.)
>>>>>>>>>>> Thomas
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 28 Dec 2015, Amelia Andersdotter
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hej Thomas,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jag hoppas du minns mig :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Angående er korkade Justitieminister är
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sveriges justitieminister
>>>>>>>>>> minst lika dum. Vi borde samarbeta mot dumheten
>>>>>>>>>> över gränserna!
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ett problem är att Europarådet i och för sig
>>>>>>>>>>>> verkar godta hemlig
>>>>>>>>>> dataavläsning ("riktad övervakning").Så
>>>>>>>>>> människorättsargumentet är svårare att
>>>>>>>>>> framhålla. Hemlig dataavläsning är dock urkorkat
>>>>>>>>>> från ett allmänt säkerhetsperspektiv. Jag och
>>>>>>>>>> några till har försökt lyfta det i Sverige:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.gp.se/nyheter/debatt/1.2931257-statliga-trojaner-
hin
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
drar-ett-sakrare-internet
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>> http://www.dagenssamhalle.se/debatt/foerslag-om-dataintrang-och-sign
alsp
>>>
>>>

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>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> vänliga hälsningar,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Amelia
>
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